Is there a God?
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I like this website.Yes jesus is alive .I too saw his beautiful and tender hands in my vision.
Good article. My problem is how to match the big bang theory with what is said in the Bible about creation. It’s possible that someone gets confused and thinks that genesis books are all a fairy tale.
Hi Bonasi, thanks. What do you think Genesis 1-3 should be seen as?
David H. Winer says
I am a Messianic rabbi, and I would love to hear from you on this also! Is there a proof of God? Yes. Nobody has ever proved the Bible wrong. Please write to me if you have an issue with the Word of God and you think there is an errant fact. My proof that there is God is simple. As a Jew, who believes in Jesus our Messiah, Lord, and God, the Bible prophecies, in over 360 prophecies, that our Messiah, God in the flesh, was to come exactly when, where, why, and how He came 2014 years ago. He came as God said (Isaiah 9:6, Daniel 9:24-27, Isaiah 7:14, and Micah 5:2 in particular). He said that He was God and proved it. In John 1, the Bible says that Jesus is the Word and that all things were created through him and by him. Jesus proved that He was God by bringing people back from the dead, healing them, curing them of blindness and many other diseases. He said that He would come back from the dead in three days, and He did. He lived for another 40 days on earth and then ascended into the sky before over 500 people, saying that He would come back as He left, from clouds of Heaven. The Big Bang theory is a contradiction to thermodynamics which says that matter cannot spontaneously generate itself. In other words, matter cannot not create itself, from nothing. Only God can do that. God is eternal. He always was. The Bible starts off by saying, “In the beginning God created the Heavens and the earth.” God, in the form of a man, Jesus, came to live with us on earth, showing Himself to us and showing us how to live and to love. Please write to me so we can further talk if you are interested. There is so much proof of God and none of the Big Bang without God. How can perfect order and life come from a big explosion that came from nothing? Impossible. The only reasons we have the “THEORIES” of the Big Bang and Evolution, is because people do not want to admit that there is a God. They do not want to believe in God simply because they do not want to follow his rules, called commandments. The word for law in Hebrew is תורה or Torah, which simply means teaching. God came to teach us how to live, so we could be at peace with each other. When we violate this teaching on how to live with each other, just look at the news today and see where a “godless” world is leading us. Be blessed. May the love and peace of Jesus/Yeshua be with you always and forever.
Hi David, welcome! It is wonderful to meet a Messianic Rabbi! I have visited your website, and there were some good things there.
I agree with many of the things you have written here, and I don’t really want to get into an argument with you about the things where we don’t agree. So I will just be brief.
There are many people who think they have proved the Bible wrong at some point. Whether they are right, or you are, is a matter of debate. I don’t think there is anywhere in the Bible where the Word of God is specifically equated with the Bible, and many places where it clearly isn’t. Again, we may debate what that means.
I don’t think the big bang explanation entails creation out of nothing. I think it starts with an enormous amount of energy, some of which becomes matter in time. Science cannot explain how that initial energy got there out of nothing, and I agree with you that God is the best explanation – probably the only explanation. Perhaps some people believe in the big bang to escape believing in God, but I don’t think that would be logical, and many people (such as me) accept the big bang even though we believe in God, because it seems to be the best explanation of the facts.
Best wishes, and thanks for visiting.
Shahidur Rahman Sikder says
Discovery of the God, Big Bang & Evolution:
Science very exciting for a religion & a nation- is there a no conflict between science and religious through that physical nature of the Universe.
See into- about 5 years ago comments- Shahidur Rahman Sikder at http://science.jrank.org/pages/840/Big-Bang-Theory-evolution-Universe.html
The Big Bang and evolution ARE real but they were carried out by God, says the Pope as he embraces modern science
Pope: The most important news- about the God, Big Bang & Evolution at https://plus.google.com/104669722445739033329/posts/MQ9wQejCRLQ
See- God or Dark Energy, Big Bang, Evolution and Early Universe, My DEMO Final https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYcnbwUKUEM New Discovery of the Universe: can be found at http://lnkd.in/Sn6wPK the Universe creation or creator or religious- can be found at http://t.co/OQDPbAg
John Lee says
What created God? Why is God always thought of as “HE”? If it is ever proved that there is a God it is more likely to be an “IT”.
Hi John, thanks for reading and commenting. I’d be interested to hear your answers to these questions. Here are mine ….
1. No-one. God has always existed. Or more accurately, God is timeless.
2. Personal pronouns are tricky. We only have male (he), female (she) and non-personal (it). We don’t have one for non-gender specific but personal, which is what I think God is. So he is often used because most societies have traditionally been patriarchal. But I think God is personal but not gendered, for which we have no pronoun.
3. Does that mean you think God is non-personal?
A mysterious new form of energy seems to make up most of the universe. Where did the universe come from? Did the Universe Come from Nothing?
Answering of the question:
Modern Big Bang Theory: On reflection of Big Bang theory such as; “Beginning of the creation a part of the power of the nature/God became divisible as a result of the big bang”. At the time of the beginning of the creation or from the absolute zero of time or from the big black hole or from the Nature or From the God, part of the power of the Nature/God became divisible as a result of the big bang. The part of energy had been divided in the beginning of creation from the large field of energy, which is below 50% of total energy. In the most of natural power reserved in Nature or big black hole or the God from which, the world of gravitation become influenced. See at https://shahidurrahmansikder.wordpress.com/2010/05/26/big-bang/
Hi thanks for visiting and commenting, but do you mind if I ask you a question?
In answering questions like this, do you think we should have reasons and evidence before we offer an answer? or do you think we can just say whatever we think?
Richard Krause says
I really appreciated your article and thoughts, especially “I believe that creation by God is more
reasonable than either of the other options”. I TOTALLY agree with you.
Please permit me to give you some back ground about myself. I was born and raised in a Lutheran environment. I am still a member of a Lutheran church however because of health issues (and others) I no longer attend.
I believe there is a God who created the Universe. I believe that more from my observations while working as a chemist in a research laboratory, and after retirement from my online research. Several years ago I started to do research into the origin of the Universe and life. It has been a most interesting “ride”. The more I read, the more I became convinced, as you have, that there are many holes in many of the scientific theories. Especially the “inflation theory”. Most cosmologists seem to go to great lengths to avoid accepting God as the creator. They admit that the Universe cannot be as “flat” as it is solely by chance (and the list goes on and on). And they certainly don’t explain how atomic particles can be made (at least not to my satisfaction.)
UnkleE, I fear I have taken up too much of your time. Thanks again for starting this “forum”.
I would be most pleased to hear your thoughts and continue this communication.
I’m glad you found the page(s) you read interesting. Thanks for commenting. You certainly haven’t taken up too much time – I too am retired from full time work and enjoy the opportunity to discuss.
I think it is natural that scientists try to find explanations apart from God – that is after all the role of science. We no longer consider things like thunder or eclipses to be supernatural, so it is good to test the boundaries of the natural. My disagreement is when science has no explanation and it seems it principle that it cannot – then we should reasonably accept the possibility of a supernatural explanation.
People say this is “God of the gaps”, but I have no problem with that. We go with the best explanation we have until a better one is found. But inevitably, when we find a natural explanation for something we previously thought was supernatural, that just pushes back the boundary one step.
So I think, as you know, that the existence and design of the universe both reveal truth that points to God.
I much appreciate your response to my post.
Regarding the role of science – It seems we agree for the most part, however, there may be some slight differences. To me science is a field of human endeavor to search for an understanding of all biological, chemical, and physical things that interests homo sapiens. And an essential part of science is to verify the purported findings of knowledge. The knowledge that science has provided to us is mind-boggling. Along the way theories are tested and retested. The difficulty (especially with theoretical physics) is that some (many) theories are accepted as “near” fact without adequate verification. One such theory in my opinion is the “inflation theory”. There are just too many questions. Enough, I could go on about this theory for some time. I currently do not accept it.
There are SOOOooo many things we still do not know. And frankly, there are many questions that scientists throw under the table and ignore. I suspect that is done in part because those questions would raise many questions about “how” and “why” which then raises the question about a creator. Discussions about a creator is a no no for atheists.
Oh yes – “God of the gaps”. Atheists try to lay that onto theists. Not to say that isn’t true for some cases, but not all. I don’t feel I am “using” the “God of the gaps” every time science does not have a answer. In fact, it is from what I KNOW that convinces me there is a God. That showed itself numerous times in the lab.
To quote your excellent thought – “So I think, as you know, that the existence and design of the universe both reveal truth that points to God.” I say YES!!!! In my opinion, not only points to there being a God but all the cosmological evidence proves it.
Have a GREAT Day!
John Luke Rainwater says
“Our eyes are the mirror of God – he created us to see himself.”
Thanks John, I like that.
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Hi Festus, I don’t suppose there are many scientists likely to read this blog. If you want a scientific opinion, you may be better trying a science blog.
Alex J says
As a new christian, this has become one of my favorite sites from the first visit. Fantastic information, would love to see a book on all this out of you!
Hi Alex, thanks again for your encouragement. It is nice to meet a new christian. I have thought about turning it all into a book, even just an ebook that could be downloaded for free. I have done a few trials of using software to do that, but I haven’t got around to making it happen. One day perhaps! 🙂
Maybelle Aquino says
A satisfying and comforting read.
I did not know research goes dark before the single cell. A mysterious blueprint much too complex to come naturally where natural selection cannot apply – I, as uneducated in the matter as I may be, will still push that there must be a large gap of natural occurrences leading to cell division. But even in this day and age, the complex blueprints within us have me consider the idea of a designer nonetheless. This is why I found myself to this website, searching what it means to have discovered DNA – Information storing and transferring not commonly liken to organic processes by people who do not study and learn biology.
The Christian religion is based on selfishness and elimination of opposing ideas. Any evidence of a designer I will not address as the Christian god, or a god at all. A designer of that complexity implies that we cannot begin to fathom the truth.
The Psychedelic “drug” DMT expanded my mind on the matter as well. As it is naturally occurring, I don’t classify it along side recreational drugs such as marijuana or alcohol since the experience is a complete transportation of self, with the mind completely intact.
When the initial trip is over, you are left in what is a complex skeletal design of the room you’re in. It’s as if everything is being synthesized back to normal.
I don’t believe that we can understand the truth behind our current existence. The religions we know represent only what we can perceive without extensive scientific research. At least, I have not discovered yet any religion that does integrate current scientific discoveries into it’s belief system. Perhaps it would not be called a religion, and is just belief in science.
There are some metaphysical beliefs I feel strongly about, though I believe it might actually only apply to our current world in it’s state.
Hi Maybelle, thanks for reading, and letting me know some of your ideas. I agree that DNA is fascinating and complex. I have been studying it a little because it is relevant to family history as well as questions about the human race and God.
I feel the christian religion has often been very unfaithful to the teachings of Jesus, as you say, but I do believe Jesus teaches us truth. I agree with you that we can’t understand God much by ourselves, but I believe Jesus gives us information about God that we couldn’t get any other way.
Some modern day christians and churches have integrated science and religion, even though others haven’t, and there are websites and organisations devoted to bringing the two together. You might be interested in these: BioLogos and Science and Belief.
Thanks again for reading and commenting.
Oh no, don’t agree with me. Whatever is out there that we can’t understand – it’s not god. Whatever it is, we may never fathom it but there is something much bigger than we are and I don’t believe it’s someone determining our fates by our deeds, etc.
It may start to go beyond what we may call science, but I truly believe it is not divine. Those beliefs were created to comfort those who feel alone & need some divine parent to make them feel loved. So many people have this need to believe, to hope in something great and beautiful although the world itself already is.
Hi Maybelle, it’s not common to find someone asking me not to agree with them! 🙂
But I have to agree with you that what is out there we can’t understand, but then disagree because I think it IS God. Maybe it is true that some people need a divine parent to feel loved, but that doesn’t mean the divine parent isn’t there. It may be that just as our hunger points us to food, so our need points us to God.
You have a lovely site & it is nice to speak with you. Thank you for the website recommendations.
Thank you Maybelle, and best wishes to you.
Very interesting question, possibly the most important question for our species. On the scientific approach to understanding consciousness, I see it like this. Science is a great tool, and has helped us in so many ways. But when it comes to consciousness I think science is out of it’s depth. It like you have a leaky tap in the back yard, the solution is to put a bucket underneath it and it catches the water, problem solved, by science. However, if a storm suddenly arrives, with heavy downpours, and intense winds scattering the water everywhere, and some lightning adding danger to the situation. Is the bucket of any use any more to catch the water? Obviously not, the science of the bucket is no longer of any use. The storm to the bucket is like consciousness to science, it is overwhelmed and cannot resolve the issue. It (science) is dealing with something outside of it’s control (consciousness). Try as you might (with the bucket) you will not catch the water from the storm, it is too complex a situation. But scientists, keep trying if you wish. The person who said, there is a fundamental problem with how we are trying to resolve the consciousness issue has he correct view.
Tom Giacobbe says
Hello, this is Tom. I was born and raised christian but in the past year have been seeking answers
to the “does god exist” question. I have listened to hours of debates between theists and atheists,
including christian apologist, William Lane Craig and atheist- scientist, Lawrence Krauss.
Although the arguments on both sides make sense, I am still not convinced one way or the other.
Dr. Craig, after putting forth his 5 or 6 logical arguments for God’s existence concludes that the
more “reasonable world view” is theism, not atheism.
Professor Krauss, on the other hand, maintains that just because science has not yet provided an
explanation for a particular phenomenon or event, that to say, god is responsible, is unreasonable. He further goes on to argue that there are some things that science may never be able to explain, and he’s ok with that.Does it trouble him that he may take his last breath not having ever received the answers to some of life’s major questions? Absolutely.
Aside from making intelligent and logical arguments for the existence of a “god”, and despite the
“reasonableness” of the arguments, can we ever know “for sure ” that a god or gods exist?
I maintain that we cannot, and that we will not know until we pass from this life.
If this makes any sense, then my question is, do you think a position of agnosticism is reasonable? If it turns out that a god or gods exist and that there is an after life, will it be held against me for being honest with myself and taking the agnostic position?
Should I be penalized for not having faith in a god who I honestly “could not know” whether or not he exists?
Hi Tom, thanks for writing. I appreciate your questions and your dilemma. Obviously I am not God and so cannot tell you “for sure” what he thinks, but I can offer you my perspective as someone who has grappled with these questions for more than 50 years.
“Aside from making intelligent and logical arguments for the existence of a “god”, and despite the “reasonableness” of the arguments, can we ever know “for sure ” that a god or gods exist?”
I agree that we can never know “for sure”, but then, there is very little we can have certainty about. This might all be a dream of a computer simulation, we can’t know “for sure”, but none of us really believes that. So I think it is reasonable to say we should look for logical probability, and then live with that practical belief.
And I think logical probability about God can come from the cumulative strength of the following:
1. The philosophical arguments (there are about 4 that I find convincing).
2. Our understanding of what it feels like to be human – rational, ethical, freely choosing, conscious, loving people.
3. The life of Jesus, his teachings, his apparent miracles, and the impact he made on his followers.
4. People’s apparent experience of God through guidance, comfort, visions and miraculous healings.
I have summarised these reasons briefly in Why believe?, and more fully in Is there a God?, and I think they show that it is much more likely that God exists than that he doesn’t.
Put simply, atheism, naturalism, whatever we want to call it, cannot explain many of these things I have mentioned. From what you say, Lawrence Krauss doesn’t have an explanation, he’s just not happy with WL Craig’s explanation. (I attended a live debate between the two in Sydney, and it seemed there that Lawrence didn’t have any good arguments, and so he tried to take the debate out of evidence and into emotion and assertion.) But the test of a hypothesis is what it can explain, so atheism fails as a hypothesis, in my opinion, compared to theism.
“do you think a position of agnosticism is reasonable? “
We each can only go with the evidence as we see it, so if you think that agnosticism is the best or only option, then you should go with it. But I regard it as an unsatisfactory option in the long term. GK Chesterton once said: “The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.”
So I think agnosticism is an honest and right position for as long as we can hold no other view, but I personally wouldn’t be happy to stay there forever. It is a little like refusing to vote in an election because we don’t like either of the candidates. But surely, one candidate is not as bad as the other, and therefore we should vote for the lesser of two evils?
Likewise, I think that eventually it is better to choose one of the competing worldviews than to stay uncommitted – better psychologically, and in the end more likely to lead to truth. After all, something must be true, so choosing theism or atheism has at least some probability of being true, whereas agnosticism doesn’t even attempt to be true.
So like I said at before, I think you should go where you think honesty compels, but I would hope you would keep looking for a worldview that has the best probability of being true.
“If it turns out that a god or gods exist and that there is an after life, will it be held against me for being honest with myself and taking the agnostic position?
Should I be penalized for not having faith in a god who I honestly “could not know” whether or not he exists?”
This is the question I can only offer an uncertain opinion on. I believe God judges us according to the light we have been given, and according to the integrity of our motives. There are places where the Bible suggests that, and it seems reasonable.
But Jesus said if we want to find the truth, we must “keep on seeking”, so I think part of the right attitude God is looking for is someone who keeps on seeking. So again, I hope you don’t stop where you are now – and I don’t think you are, otherwise why would you write this comment?
My suggestion is to read a good book by a historian about Jesus that breaks some of the christian wrong ideas you may have grown up with – I suggest Richard Bauckham’s Jesus: a very short introduction – it is short, easy to read, very good, and easy to order online. Then I suggest reading the gospel of Luke, with the new understandings you get from Bauckham, asking yourself, could I follow this man even if he wasn’t the son of God? If you could, then you have a start, and perhaps in time you will come to believe he was the son of God too. And if you couldn’t give any credence or loyalty to him as a human being, then he is never going to be son of God to you, and you can start looking elsewhere for truth.
If you do this, you will be continuing to search, and if God exists as I believe, he will maybe show you more clearly.
Please feel free to discuss, either here on the blog comments, or by email – there is a link in the menu bar. I hope this all helps.
Shugart George Eric says
For those that believe ‘God’ created the universe, what is the logical argument that there is only one god ? As one who might be called a naturalist, I think it is just as logical to believe there is only one god as believing that there could be many (or infinite numbers of) gods who started the entire ball of wax.
I like the logical discussion presented, but I don’t think the debate is limited to : there is a singular god or there is not…
Hi, thanks for reading and for your thoughts.
I agree with you, arguments for the existence of God based on the creation of the universe could work equally well for several gods. Perhaps simplicity suggests one God is more likely, but that’s not much of an argument.
My view is that the case for the existence of God, and the nature of that God, is cumulative, and each argument adds a little to the picture. The naturalistic arguments take us so far, but for me the nature of God is mainly established by revelation. I believe the historical evidence points to Jesus being divine, and it is from him that I get monotheism rather than polytheism.
Sociologist Rodney Stark, analysing the rise of christianity, has argued for the superiority of monotheism over polytheism, but that is more based on what works rather than what is true.
Nicholas Ginex says
A paper by Paramahamsa Tewari titled, Structural Relation Between the Vacuum Space and the Electron, presented a theory that the electron is the first fundamental particle created in space through the transformation of energy. His theory enabled the calculation of many properties of the electron, such as its mass and charge. By examining the Periodic Table of Atomic Numbers, a conception of how the universe began surfaces. The table reveals that the electron intimately exists in the formation of atoms, which are the building blocks of inorganic and organic matter. It may therefore be reasoned that the electron is key in the creation of all matter. For further information about creation of the electron and if it began the creation of the universe, read the article presented on the link:
john connor says
What if God wore gloves and intended not to leave his fingerprints ? i.e. to allow us to find Lawrence Krauss”s solution to be the simplest.
“Though one thousand fall at your right side it shall not touch you”…….but it touched many who relied on this prayer from the Psalms. So say the prayer and wait for the divine heads or tails to see your fate.
Sorry your comments took so long to appear. When someone comments for the first time, WordPress requires that I approve them before they appear. I thought I’d done that, but I hadn’t, I’m sorry.
I don’t find Lawrence Krauss’s conclusions about God to be at all simple, what do you think is simple?
Agreed Krauss’s argument is not simple. what I am trying to get at is what will theists do if someday science has the better of it and is able to present a cogent argument that matter is its own reason for being? i.e. the explanatory gap is closed with a shutout win for science.
Why does God have to leave clues / fingerprints ? Perhaps he chose to “wear gloves” and remain hidden ?
Hi John, interesting questions.
I’m doubtful that science can ever answer all the questions. Even if science gets to “a cogent argument that matter is its own reason for being” (which I don’t think is a thing science can even do in principle), then we could always ask “but why?” We can always conceive of ways things could be different, and then ask why not one of those ways?
So I don’t think the explanatory gap can ever (and I mean ever) closed, for we can always ask “why?”. As a God believer, I don’t believe God is the ultimate end-point answer, because we can always ask “What if God wasn’t there?” (Philosophically, if God is a necessary being, then there was no other possibility, but we can always ask if he necessarily had to be necessary!?) So we’ll never have all the answers, and we just have to choose the best explanation and the best place to stop the chain of explanations. I think God is the best explanation and the best place to stop the chain of explanation, and I think the universe is a highly unsatisfactory place to stop the explanations.
I think God leaves clues rather than obvious evidence because he has chosen to give us choice, and too much evidence or too little evidence and our choices are too constrained. And because I see so much evidence for God, I don’t think he has chosen to remain hidden.
eric shugart says
This is so odd…I was just thinking last week that something happened that is incomprehensible to man as to what caused the Big Bang but I was also thinking that maybe someday, science will figure it all out. At this moment , it is simply beyond anything we are able to understand . So maybe in order to find a rationale explanation for something that cannot be understood, man invented God…..It wouldn’t be the first time that man has assigned a supernatural explanation for something that he couldn’t explain rationally…..
Hi Eric, it appears to be true that people are prone to see agency, including supernatural agency, in all sorts of phenomena. We hear a noise in our house at night and wonder if it might be a robber. Someone has a significant dream and they wonder if God was speaking to them.
The question is: what does this tell us? It could be that people invented God out of these experiences. It could also be that God made us this way so we can be aware of him. My pick is the second.
sure…There could be a god or gods…..I am not a scientist but my understanding is that if time started with the Big Bang, then scientific theory has an idea what happened a second (or a few seconds ) later after the Big Bang ….However, at this point in human history, we seem to be clueless as to what happened before that initial ‘second’, so absolutely anything is possible within the constraints of Scientific Laws (some of which we may not comprehend or be aware of)
God(s), UFOs, Extra-Terrestrials, Satan, Demons, Angels, etc. are all part of the same Human created concepts. We can choose to believe it we wish, however, while believing may give us something to lean on, it doesn’t make them real. My view is, it’s more practical to believe in things that can be proven or dis-proven, otherwise we could all end up believing in many new fantasies created in the future.
Another concept we must also take on board, is that “if there is a God”, we can’t assume that he is especially there for us humans. We can’t assume that we own God. We are only only one species out of millions that exist on the planet earth. Do Bears have a Bear God, do butterfly’s have a butterfly God. And, we have just been around for a short while given the age of the Universe. What about all the other extinct species, what about other planets and the possibility of life on those. do those also have their God? We cannot assume that God’s existence is purely for us Humans. If he has to leave signs, messages, and miracles for all species he must be very busy.
My understanding is that the Butterfly God is weak and puny……..
Something happened to kick the whole universe off and its unlikely we will have an answer soon. Personally, I lack the faith that there is anything beyond this lifetime for any of us ; That not withstanding, I do believe that there is morality and a code in which we should live our life and how we should treat others… In fact, there seems to be some school of thought that that Jesus was exposed and possibly studied Buddhism in depth in his ‘missing’ years ( Buddhists were sending out missionaries 600 years before Christ and had a solid footprint in his area). So I try to be good and not commit ‘sin’, because it makes me feel good with myself when I go to bed each night. There is much about religion (all religion) that simply defies any kind of logic.
Another interesting theory, is that the big picture is not just composed of Humans, The Sun, The Moon, The Universe, and God, but is instead a massive entity comprised of various forms of Energy, Waves (light, etc.), Particles, Gravity, Magnetism, Bacteria, Biological Organisms, etc. and that we humans are just one part of that massive entity. This theory also proposed that Humans may not even be capable of comprehending concepts such as How the Universe was Created, Who Owns it, Controls it, Manages it, Operates it, etc. This theory compares us to a Leaf on a Tree, i.e. we come into existence, we Live, we Decay, and we Die. Does the Leaf need to understand how everything works, do we? Difficult to answer.
Sorry but anything physical let alone biologic does not exist as anything except sub atomic energy. Except in your mind as what Einstein referred to as an Optical Delusion. It’s all just a virtual reality created by the binaric decoding of the firing of synapses ON and OFF just like a computer created a virtual reality of ONE and ZERO…. nothing exists physical and crept in that small portion of consciousness you refer to as a physical mind. It is not. It is just sub atomic energy like everything else you may perceive of as a physical universe.
James…..I don’t believe you are responding to me, but your last post isn’t particularly or especially clear to a layman…Assuming your point is valid, you probably need to ‘dumb it down’ so most of can try and understand the point you are trying to make…….I had to read it three times and I ‘think’ I understand your point (but maybe not)……..just saying
Science told us a long time ago that EVERYTHING in the universe including us and our brain tissue is actually composed of protinscekectrons and neutrons further broken down into charms and muons and bosons etc. Physical is just a perception not a reality. Based on this fact that we are made of the same stuff as everything else, Einstein pointed out that mankind is under the Optical Delusion that we are separate from the universe. Further to that synapses operate under a simple binary system of Off and On. Just like the zone and Zero that a computer creates its own virtual reality that has only an appearance of physicality even though there is no actual substance to it. I took that one step further realizing that the OFFS and the ZEROS are nothing. That means we are a singularity of ONES or ONS that vibrate at frequencies we might call angstroms for the sights and decibels for the sounds of this illusion of a perception of a physical reality that does not exist.
James (the other James) all evidence points to your theory (energy, neurons, etc.) being correct. We cannot dispute the fact that everything is composed of atoms and energy in various states. The fact that they appear to us in various visual states (including ourselves) is an interesting curiosity. How and Why is something of a mystery.
I can picture a scene a couple thousand years ago where a Roman citizen is running through a rainstorm and gets zapped by lightning and dies…And all the friends say “one of the Gods got angry at him for not making a sacrifice,and threw down a lightening bolt to punish him….I don’t know how realistic this was ( did they really believe in all the different gods), but at the time Romans didnt have the knowledge or technology to know ‘the how and the why of it’… Now today we know how lightning is created and why it takes the path it does….the Roman was in the wrong place at the wrong time….SO here we are again contemplating the origins of the universe and we don’t have the knowledge or technology to answer ‘the how and why of it……I believe there is a pretty good possibility that if you ask my descendants in a few thousand years that the may very well know the answer….
of course there will always be mechanisms that are discoverable ” behind” whatever we experience and however we experience. Nonetheless May our experience of physicality still have meaning for us ? May we choose to rejoice in being made a little less than the angels ?
James and John Connor . The fact that we are a virtual reality and not a physical reality. Does not change the fact that within this “closed system” our perceived physical laws apply. However since this is a creation and we are created and given the ability to control our characters from outside this closed system in accordance with the laws of physics, is proven because we can choose to turn left or right or stop or go regardless of what the universal laws impel us to do once our perception of our own creation has been entered into the virtual reality creation. That is why the observer makes a difference in quantum mechanics because before it is entered into the physical perception it can be changed, once it has come into existence and been observed it is part of the closed system of the PAST which no longer exists and cannot be changed. The future also does not yet exist. The bible says this about the past future and present… now we have FAITH in memories of a past forever gone zero existence. Now we have HOPE for a future not yet existing zero existence only now ONE exists ones and zeros we use to create NOWs like a computer creates a virtual reality. now one is presented as the LOVE part of the bible expression because to make a better now the tool of love uses patience kindness non envious ness not arrogant but based on truth and right. Of the ones and zeroes only ones exist so we are a Singularity creating now which is the only time that exists… it is hard to fathom the ramifications that are entailed by this concept that only now exists and the physical perception is gone and past before we even are able to recognize it existed because the observation is not comprehended in time to k own it exists before it has already passed into oblivion. It’s over. We can only react to things that no longer are now. It is hard to express let alone comprehend all the ramifications it entails .. sorry for taking this so deep…?but it does not change the fact that this pereception of reality we exist within must adhere to and abide by those rules we call the laws of physics ….. once they have been committed they into the now and the closed system of physical perception …. until then we have the ability to CHOOSE!
One thing more the bible concept applies here when God says choose this day or NOW who you will serve, because only NOW exists once you have committed your action you cannot change it…. but you can make a better new NOW if you make a mistake by admitting you made a mistake and by not making that same mistake in you next NOWs.
Hi James, your comment (the one including reference to quantum physics) is very true, and also very interesting. Even allowing for that, it does brings us back to the age old question “What’s it all about”. One could of course also ask, why does it need to be about anything, why can’t things just be the way they are, without having any particular reason. However, this is where one of our Human weakness (let’s just call it that for now) arises, we feel there must be a reason. But will we ever know?
Descartes tells us what it’s all about “I think therefore I AM” I thought about being made in the image of God and I thought, what would I do if I was the only thing that existed…. Borrrring… so I would create something to entertain me… but Eventually I would feel Lonnnnnely.. so I would create someone to have fellowship with. But live must be freely given so slaves robots and puppets would not cut it. We are created in the image of god for a reason. Go to Maslow what do we need that god does not need? Just the food shelter and security.. but what about love belonging purpose esteem and self actualization and self ascendancy needs. God has those needs. God told Moses tell them I AM has sent you what was Descartes I AM? An expression of simple self awareness. The BIG BANG THEORY then becomes … I AM… but then the explosion of thoughts. What where why how who AM I and the unlimited exponential thoughts that explore the possibilities attendant with those questions. That is how we create this. Virtual reality with the firing of synapses on off one zero… the frequency of those ones can then be decoded into angstroms and decibels represented as the sights and sounds of our existence. The purpose of life is to fulfill those needs of existence .
John Connor says
Could the quantum world be a necessary substrate for the macro world to exist in the image of God. Is superposition a prerequisite for free will ?
Additional in my research results- The Infinite/Creator/Allah/God not exist but we found the Infinite/Allah/God partially. Such as- existence of the Allah/God/Creator is in everything at all i.e. the Infinite/Allah/God is omnivorous i.e. at the root of Allah or God or Creator is everything at all in the universe. Again, we found the influence of gravitational force or universal ray; it proves the partial division of dark energy or black body. Everything is the presence of singular dimension, the last position of matter in artificial experiment and we found the result by evolution/variable of him/her part such as in physics.
Coming soon my Book is- In Titled: “Real brief History of the Universe”. World-wide people- Found out- Communications Physics are finally- before the Big Bang. Swiftly- people found the Universe creation and creator and religious finally- a religion a nation. Found out- The Structure of Sketch of the Universe and Amazing facts about the Universe.
Without a substrate what would we base our perception of reality on? For example a dream has no need for physical trees or water or people to experience them. The same as a virtual reality creation does not need the physical construct to experience them. But am AWARENESS of I think therefore I AM must exist. What is that awareness based on in terms of the concept of the firing of synapses that create ones and zeros from their on and offs. We can then take those ones and zeros and create a perception of reality based on the frequency they exist on. That would be the substrate of energy we create the perceptions on and out of. But I realized the zeros and offs do not exist so we are a singularity of ons or ones that are continually creating new NOWs which is all that exists. Once again the essence of the singularity as past and future NOWs do not exist as they are now zeros.
James (II) all of what you say is true, but it also leads to an interesting question. If we assume that the substrate (or ones and Zeros) of everything is all that really exists, and the rest is illusion or perception, how do we explain things like personality, opinions, likes, dislikes, compassion, depression, talent, etc. We all have the same Nervous System, the same Brain Structure, the same Synaptic structure, the same Neuron architecture, and basically the same Ones and Zeros. How then do we account for differences in people, whether it’s skill, talent, opinions, preferences, etc. Is this perhaps something that is special, that cannot be accounted for in terms of Ones and Zeros. Perhaps this is where the real mystery lies, and perhaps also where we should focus our investigative efforts. Certainly something I find very interesting.
I think therefore I exist but you may be and are just a character in my existence, why? Because I/ we are a singularity. We had a Rastafarian friend who said in Jamaica you would say “I and I are going down the road for a cuppa” the Beatles lyrics say, “ I am he as you are he as you are me
And we are all together”
Einstein said Mankind is under the Optical Delusion that he is separate from the universe” but we are made of that same substrate as the universe, subatomic electromagnetic energy forces. All the personalities are just different aspects of the same singularity. We are not God as solipsism May suggest but we are all creations of the same God. Like Jim Carey expresses Jim Carey is just another character he plays. Another concept is people where many different hats. Father son friend employee employer customer husband uncle nephew… all the same person but all different to who they are relating to. I don’t relate to my wife in the same way I relate to my son.. 2 completely different characters but the same person. God the singularity is all of us. And yet we are all individual creations.
I agree with your comments, but I also have a slight variation on one aspect. The very fact that you (or I) can alter some things at will, such as the relationships between different people, would appear to give us control over some events as distinct from just being bit players in some large physical process being played out?
If I accept that the ultimate substrate of my experience is subatomic electromagnetic energy, does that warrant the conclusion that “all personalities are just different aspects of the same singularity.” This conclusion sounds more like a philosophical premise/conclusion of eastern thought: a type of modalism that perceives differences in persons as separate modes of being the same thing. I think it is fine to draw such a conclusion but I think there are other conclusions falling on the side of a non modal – individuality that are just as valid.
Actually John Connor, it was Einstein’s observation that mankind is under the Optical Delusion that he is separate from the universe. That is a quote.
The evidence supports that indeed we are a singularity of the one apart from the zero in what we mistakenly refer to as a binary system. Zero is nothing therefore you are left with the one. One plus one in the binary system is three 11 nothing plus one is 2 010etc. But we just use the one where the one is determines its value. 101010 then becomes 32 plus 8 plus 2 = 42 just ones and nothing’s but because of the position of the ones we perceive or define them as 42… we could now also define 42 as a colour or a sound something vibrating at a certain rate of. Ones and zeros we can define as angstroms giving us all the colours of the rainbow, or sounds can be defined based on different vibratory rates. But it is all based on the ons of the binary system. BUT these ons do not stick around. They go off and disappear into the past. All that exists is the current on. The single on of now.. another binary system expression only this time exist not exist exist then not exist but only now exist as the one singularity. Anything other than the exist the now the one the on, does not exist making anything except the ONE or Singularity, an Optical Delusion. What is Solopsism again !
I was just looking at my hand and if I do not move it, I thought it is still there. But then I realized it is NOT still there because of the time dimension. It is gone into the past even as I see it. It also is in a different place as we circle the sun and Milky Way etc. Then I thought about Schrodingers cat . I dont know if my hand is there even relative to my own place in space because I may have moved it but I won’t know until I actually have moved it and by then it could be anywhere. Funny how such ideas pop into my head just by looking at my hand and realizing it is not what or where it appears to be at any perceived time or place.
I must stop now but I leave you with this last revelation I came to. TIME is the variable that determines the off and ons if the firing is one for 4 NOWs then goes off for 3 NOWs then fires for 2 NOWs you end up with 11100011 .. I have not had time to Concorde the ramifications of this revelation .. it was revealed to me that it is lunch time and I am hungry… ciao… chow.. hahaha
1 the big Bang started with the first conscious aware thought of I AM
2 that thought started the expansion of questions and possible answers. Who am I what am I where am I why am I.
3 we are created in the image of God. Meaning not the physical image needing food shelter and security. But the needs of love belonging purpose esteem self ascendancy.
You need to create another person because a puppet Slave or Robot cannot love.
Therefore we must be free to choose to love goodness or it would be meaningless thus God must allow evil in order to allow love.
We create a perception of reality using the on off. Binary system we call the firing of synapses… just like computers create virtual reality and artificial intelligence with ones and zeroes.
Having said all that stuff about life being a virtual reality and not physical as we imagine. It makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in the purpose of life itself. The purpose of life is to experience it and learn from it .. experience is the best teacher and god/creator must allow his creation to learn how to be his equal to have a relationship with it.
I am an agnostic. I have come to see and believe that the gospels are a point of view being put forward by a particular believing community based on the oral traditions it has accepted about Jesus.. The human element in what has been reduced to writing is essential. It is the human contribution and my changing life experience that prompts my agnosticism. If I choose to I am able to live a life of commitment as well as one of healthy doubt.
John that is why my online alias is A God for the Atheist.. it can also be a God for the Agnostic… god is defined as creator and ruler. The laws of conservation and of energy and Newton’s laws of motion show that the universe is our creator and ruler. By definition that makes the universe our god.
As you may have noticed my beliefs can stray into the area of solopsism as well considering my proof that even the firing of synapses makes our existence the on off or one zero of the binary system and the zero does not exist making us a singularity if the on which in itself is a singularity of the present on as past and future ons do not exist in the NOW. I am trying to write a book about the meaning of life based on these principles.
Personally any written information from the bible to peanuts comic strip to the wisdom of Stan lee stand or fail based on their content when taken in the true context regardless of who said those words.
Jack D says
Why would you think Good is personal? I don’t use personal pronouns in the mention of the name of God simply because they are human and not in the same league as God. The bible,quran, and every other document of religious doctrine was penned by man, regardless of the amount of influence attributed by God. The Constitution of the United States was also said to have been influenced by God, but it doesn’t make it “divine”.
I think God is personal for several reasons.
(1) If not personal, then what? The only alternative I can see is like a giant machine or a force, neither of which seems to allow choice. Without choice, such a God would be at the mercy of whatever blind forces control it, and that would hardly be God.
(2) Some of the reasons to believe in God suggest a personal character. So the universal design argument suggests God is a designer = choice. The moral argument suggests God is moral. And so on. Those qualities are personal.
(3) I believe God showed us what he is like through the person of Jesus, who was undoubtedly a person, and who therefore reveals a God who is personal.
Does anyone know why the miracles of God/Jesus ended 2000 years ago. Even though Jesus is no longer with us, should there not be some representation of God/Jesus today in the form of modern day miracles?
They certainly didn’t end 2000 years ago. There have been reports of miracles right through christian history, not as many as Jesus did, but then no-one else was Jesus! There are still reports today.
Hebrews 11:6 says that “For without faith it is impossible to please God. For those who come to Him must believe that He exists and is a rewarder to those who earnestly seek Him. ”
It is that all simple. It is either you believe God and experience a miracle or you don’t. Nothing is in between. Blessings.
Hi, thanks for your thoughts. If it is that “simple” for you, then that is great. But many people struggle to know if God is there, to know God, to have faith in him and/or to experience him in their lives. I mostly write for these people.
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